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welcome to the skeptic zone

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the podcast from australia for science

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and reason

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yes it's the skeptic zone podcast

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episode number 641

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for the 24th of january 2021

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richard saunders coming to you from heat

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wave sydney australia

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yes we're in for two or three days of

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well above average temperature

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so i'm hunkered down here in the

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skeptic's own

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studio air conditioning on sometimes

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and the curtains are drawn coming up on

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this week's show we look at psychic

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predictions

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not for the future but for the past well

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when they were made they were predicting

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the future

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psychic predictions involving donald

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trump

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we go back 20 years well over the last

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look into the great australian

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prediction

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project database and see how many

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psychics here in australia were making

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predictions about donald trump

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it's time to mark their homework and i

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must say a big thank you to all the

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people who helped me every week on the

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great australian prediction

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project and incidentally susan gerbic

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sent me a little note to say that

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the page views that

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the pages that the guerrilla skeptics on

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wikipedia have worked on

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they're about to hit 80 million

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80 million page views

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just incredible coming up after those

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donald trump predictions we have logical

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fallacies with michelle bakersma hello

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michelle

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perfect solution fallacy

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then we have some very encouraging news

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about vaccination rates here in

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australia

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a story written by jane hansen and to

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round off the show

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our continuing series into the unknown

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into the unknown from the trove archives

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and this is the reports of testing

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psychics way back in the 1950s

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now before we get stuck into the show a

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couple of nights ago i had a

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great uh great time with maynard over at

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leslow studios where we do our regular

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uh quiz main arts we don't care quiz

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which used to be called maynard's

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mastermind quiz and that's a live quiz

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you can watch and

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uh take part in every now and then

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online

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best to check out maynard.com in fact if

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you go to maynard's facebook page

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you'll be able to see that uh that quiz

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in action

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it's the world's well it's one it must

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be one of the world's tiniest tv studios

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but what a lot of fun that was but now

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it's time for me to

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run downstairs run out the door

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and water the plants because it's going

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to be a stinking hot

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day and i'm not a big one for gardening

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but i know some people really love it

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and it means a lot to them my dad was a

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so if you're gardening away in this heat

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plants i think i'll get some nice uh

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what will i have today some nice

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the skeptic zone

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what a week it's been what a week it's

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been with the events happening in

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and we might find ourselves asking the

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no matter what that is in this case it's

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who could have predicted all the

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craziness the interesting goings on

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which covers north of three 000

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going back 20 years

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and i'll turn to the database which i've

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been working on with the dedicated crew

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every week and uh what does this say it

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we have currently archived

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we have analyzed 2474 of them

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so we only have 722 to do

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but if i run a search in this database

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for donald trump let's have a look let's

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the first mention of donald trump in the

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database comes

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way back in the year 2004

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by georgina walker published in the new

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idea magazine in september 2004

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and bear with me here it is under the

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broad topic of natural disasters oh yes

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it says donald trump has continued to

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when mother nature decides to shake her

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i see an earthquake shaking the ground

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violently a building with a very large

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and i hear the number seven i feel there

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are subways underneath the building

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may mask what is really occurring

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tremors before the big one

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i see water gushing through the streets

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with burst water mains

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let's hope donald is well prepared for

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and is adequately insured

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well needless to say in our

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column in the database which we put our

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verdict the verdict here is

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wrong with the note no such event

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now the next mention of donald trump

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in the year 2016 so it's quite a big gap

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as in 2016 trump of course was making

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and we have harry t

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2016 predicted this

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trump or hillary for the u.s federal

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and his prediction was hillary well we

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know what happened there

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also in 2016 raylene cable on

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mtv and mtv video in august

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predicted donald trump assassination

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probably have to mark that as wrong the

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yuji thing who on sky news

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in 2016 said donald trump

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to win the 2016 election so we'll score

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that up as a

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hit for him now we move to the year 2017

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published in the international psychics

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jensen or jensen

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several last-minute attempts to stop

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donald trump becoming president of the

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united states of america

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wrote america is in for one big

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ride as the trump administration goes

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with warring factions for the american

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away wow that's absolutely correct she

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got it

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expected to happen we simply put well

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the next one we have is maria campbell

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sense at all that's wrong

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donald trump will not last as u.s

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president for some reason the word last

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the 30th donald trump will make a good

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and his cabinet will be the best the us

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for years it took us quite a long time

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really chew over that prediction and

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decide whether it was right or wrong

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and it seems to be a quote from a

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she had words of reassurance for the

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insisting quote

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i see it as a really good thing i think

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trump's going to bring transparency to

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the system

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end quote she said well i'll leave that

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up to you to guess if we put that as

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right or wrong

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now we come to 2018 so we're into the

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trump presidency

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elizabeth jensen once again in the

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international psychics directory

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donald trump will resign in

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march 2018 as president of the united

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states of america

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before being impeached well as history

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he was certainly impeached more than

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but the prediction is wrong because he

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julie mackenzie in a youtube video

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the 1st of january 2018 trump will fail

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over the eu that last bit is a bit vague

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eu so that's wrong

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julie mackenzie wants more america is

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going to have a bit of a market crash

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that's going to happen over there a lot

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this is linked towards trump well apart

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from being

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a little bit wishy-washy and vague

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basically we've determined that that's

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wrong that really didn't happen

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harry t once more on the today tv show

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in late december 2018 donald trump

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will go to a non-ally country

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well that's a little bit hard to work

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out that prediction because

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when that prediction was made on tv

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trump was actually in iraq

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on one of his surprise visits but we

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need to double check on

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all that so at the moment that

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prediction is listed as

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unknown harry t once more

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donald trump will not be impeached well

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there you go

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we have julie mckenzie again on her

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youtube video in december 2018

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trump will go head to head with china

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big sanctions

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and we've put that in the expected

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column

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julie mckenzie wants more trump will

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create a new type of currency to use

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with italy

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cryptocurrency or barter no well

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we uh we're afraid we couldn't find

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anything that matched that

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rose smith published uh

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in something called 10 daily now i'll

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just make a little note here

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every time i read out a prediction in

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this database which i've

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transferred from its original source

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i've kept the original source

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so i have thousands of scans from

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newspapers magazines

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things like that and hundreds of video

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clips and audio clips from radio and tv

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shows

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so rose smith in 10 daily

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on the 27th of december 2018

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donald trump will not win in 2020

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aha one we can tick off as correct

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rose smith again donald trump resign out

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of the blue

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2019 or early 2020 oh oh well

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no that didn't happen one more from rose

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smith donald trump

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not to be impeached i'm sure donald

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trump wishes that prediction came true

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now we have allison maiden on hit 103.5

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cans radio in late 2019 donald trump

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assassination attempt well as far as i

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recall there was no assassination

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attempt

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on donald trump during his presidency

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we have julie mackenzie once more in her

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youtube video this time at the end of

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2019

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donald trump will go head-to-head with

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china and we've put that

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as expected julie mackenzie wants more

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donald trump

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scandal before the 2020 election

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and i think you can probably guess we've

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put that safely

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in the expected row

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julie mackenzie trump agreements with

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italy

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and that was listed as just too vague

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and yes so we do have one for

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a column four correct or right one

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for wrong one for expected one for two

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vague

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and one for unknown so each time we look

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at a

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uh a prediction we have to decide where

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they where they lie

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and some are very very hard to discover

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julie mackenzie once more trump handles

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major terrorism situation well

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and makes him look stronger

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i don't think we discovered anything

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like that julian mckenzie again trump

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not serving full second term due to

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illness

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incorrect julie mackenzie us president

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donald trump

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would be re-elected

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wrong trump again for julie mckenzie

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do stuff that's going to help with

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climate change

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i don't think so julie mackenzie again

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trump and putin to make

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agreement by the end of the year that

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would be by the end of last year

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put feud behind them well apart from

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being a little bit

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vague we've decided that's simply wrong

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julie mackenzie again trump wins 2020

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election

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well that certainly didn't happen julian

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mackenzie trump impeachment not

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important

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after trump deals with terror attack

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well the impeachment was important and

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there was no terror attack trump had to

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deal with

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julian mackenzie trump attempt on his

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life after the 2020 election

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and that in the last couple of days we

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can actually now officially mark

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as incorrect julian mckenzie again u.s

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president donald trump will sidestep the

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controversies

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that haunt him to be re-elected

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i think president biden would disagree

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with that prediction

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and finally we have nicholas ayulia

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in the perth now

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i think that's a magazine on the 3rd of

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january last year 2020

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bad news for donald trump suggesting he

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will be defeated in november's

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presidential election

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well a correct prediction there

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to round off the list of psychic

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and clairvoyant predictions made for

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donald trump over the past

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20 years now it's important to remember

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that there must

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surely be many more

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psychic predictions published in

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australia

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maybe appearances on tv or radio by a

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certain psychics and talking about

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donald trump

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it's a matter of what i can get to so if

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they're published in newspapers and

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magazines i've got a good hope of

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getting to them not all of them because

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that's a very

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hard thing to do but if someone appeared

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on a local radio station or

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or a tv show chat show or something like

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that in the morning

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there's a good chance i didn't see it or

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i don't have access to it

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but broadly speaking as a snapshot of

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psychic predictions

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dealing with donald trump we can see

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that in the list i read to you

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most were wrong there were a few vague

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and

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it's it's almost like these people were

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just

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making lots of guesses about the future

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and about donald trump and sometimes

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some of those guesses come true

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we might look at more predictions more

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people

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more categories in this project as the

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weeks go on

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and as we get to the end of the project

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in its entirety i keep saying that year

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after year and the project

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keeps growing i only got 722 to do

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and in the last couple of weeks i've

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certainly have learned a lot about how

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to use google sheets and formulas and

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searches and things like that it's

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almost tempting to keep going and

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keep a list now for all the predictions

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i can find for 2021 but of course the

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project has to have boundaries

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otherwise it will never be completed and

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the boundaries are

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predictions made for the year 2000

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onwards

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to the end of the year 2020.

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hi my name is joe thornley and i'd like

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you to join my co

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um i'd like you to listen to my podcast

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about cults

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called zealot it's available pretty much

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anywhere you find podcasts with further

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reading on the zealot facebook page

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each episode a guest joins me to talk

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about a specific cult where we answer

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the big questions like

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and does anyone think they're jesus

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pop over to my compound and have a

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listen i've just mixed up a fresh batch

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oh sell it

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[Music]

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logical fallacies

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[Music]

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what are logical fallacies and why is it

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important that critical thinkers should

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know about them

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a logical fallacy is an error we can

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make in reasoning

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but it usually crops up when we are

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some people might even knowingly use

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them to try and score cheap points in an

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argument

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due to intellectual laziness

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they are traps we can fall into but if

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we know what to look out for

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we can spot them when they occur and

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this time we'll look at the perfect

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solution fallacy

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the perfect solution is an all

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or nothing way of thinking unless the

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outcome is 100

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perfect the baby may well end up being

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thrown out with the bath water

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in other words the idea is being

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rejected

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altogether this can be a pitfall when

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making decisions

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especially if the right thing to do

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doesn't particularly appeal to us

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and we are looking for ways to justify

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our inaction

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to ourselves and others i'm not going to

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get vaccinated for covert 19

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the vaccination is only 95 effective and

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you need two doses

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look at all those health care workers

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who still caught it

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the 95 efficacy rate of

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some of the covert 19 vaccines is

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actually very high

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the fact that a person may fall into the

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five percent category

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and not achieve adequate protection

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is no reason to deem the vaccine not

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worth having

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the healthcare workers who caught covert

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19

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after their first inoculation had yet to

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receive their second dose

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and it may also be possible that they

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were already infected

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that small number of cases is also

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no reason to dismiss the vaccine

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outright

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also protesting that a vaccine is

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not a hundred percent effective is a

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classic

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argument of the anti-vaccination

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movement

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this mask is uncomfortable and not 100

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effective in reducing the spread of

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covert 19.

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i'm not going to bother wearing it

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despite not being a hundred percent

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effective

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mass squaring is advised by medical

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specialists

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to inhibit the aerosol spray responsible

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for the spread of the virus

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it isn't an all or nothing scenario

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all reduction in transmission helps to

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keep the pandemic

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how am i going to find an hour a day to

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exercise

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i'm just too busy and tired there's no

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point in bothering for just

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15 to 20 minutes the recommended amount

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of exercise is approximately one hour

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per day

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however when that isn't possible

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it's easy to convince ourselves not to

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make an

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effort and give up on exercising

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while we may not be able to achieve the

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maximum benefits

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exercising for a shorter time will still

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be of benefit

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to our health especially in contrast to

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the scenario of doing

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no exercise at all

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[Music]

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while we often want to make excuses to

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ourselves to avoid doing something we

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don't like

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or if we want to bolster an argument

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that

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really doesn't have the weight of

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evidence on our side

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it can be tempting to succumb to wanting

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a solution

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or situation to be perfect in every way

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however in reality we should weigh up

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the pros and cons

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and make better judgments that are not

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so simple and dismissive

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[Music]

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knowing a logical fallacy when you hear

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one and even knowing its name

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is important when arguing your point of

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view

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however you may come across as arrogant

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and not get very far if you call it out

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by name

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to your opponent when you hear it being

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used

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if your opponent calls you out for using

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one

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it's time to stop and think about how

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you are making your case

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use your knowledge of logical fallacies

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wisely

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and remember that even if your point of

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view is right

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and you know all the pitfalls in arguing

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your case

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it doesn't always mean you'll win on the

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day

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and as skeptics we must also remember

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that we too can be wrong at times

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i'm michelle bickersma from the vic

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dr harriet hall md known to thousands as

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the skeptoc

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a retired family physician and former

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air force flight surgeon

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she writes about medicine so-called

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complementary and alternative medicine

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science quackery and critical thinking

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harriet now has a free course a series

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of 10 video lectures

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on science-based medicine and

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alternative medicine

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the videos and an accompanying course

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guide can be found by following the link

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at

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skipdoc.info or by visiting

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web.randy.org educational

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dash modules dot html

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topics covered in the series are

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science-based medicine versus

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evidence-based medicine what is cam

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chiropractic acupuncture homeopathy

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naturopathy and herbal medicine energy

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medicine

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miscellaneous alternatives pitfalls in

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research

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and science-based medicine in the media

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and politics

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harriet covers each topic in a

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matter-of-fact no-nonsense way

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but sure to educate and entertain

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skeptdoc

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[Music]

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now here's some encouraging news brought

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to us by jane hansen writing for

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news.com.eu we're

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a world leader on jabs australian

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vaccination rate lauded

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and of course jane hansen won the barry

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williams award a couple years ago

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for skeptical journalism given out by

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the australian skeptics

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and this came out on the 24th of

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january 2021 australia has surpassed the

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immunization

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gold standard with 95.09 percent of

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vaccination rate

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for five-year-olds with 95 percent of

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the population vaccinated

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childhood diseases that can kill cannot

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get a foothold due to herd immunity

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just a decade ago vaccination rates were

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falling

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and in 2011 were at 89 percent

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for five-year-olds federal health

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minister greg hunt

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says these figures bode well for the

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covered vaccine rollout expected in late

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february

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quote we are obviously delighted it is

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the result of many years of hard work

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by many people and quote mr hunt said

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quote australia's immunization rates are

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world leading main quote

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the numbers began rising after a

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no jab no play campaign launched in 2013

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to counter low vaccination rates in 2015

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no jab no pay was introduced by the

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federal government

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which adopted a carrot and stick

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approach by

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withholding family payments to those who

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refuse to vaccinate their children

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children must meet immunization

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requirements to get family tax benefit

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part

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a or child care free assistance

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the initiative saw a year-on-year

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improvement in vaccination rates

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culminating in the latest december

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quarter figures

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of 95.09 percent for five-year-olds

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and 97.25

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for indigenous five-year-olds quote

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programs such as no jab

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no play and no jab no pay

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have played a critical role in that and

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quote mr hunt said

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quote those figures show australians

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have both the

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capacity and the will to lead the world

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in taking up covert 19 vaccinations

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as they recognize how important

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vaccination is

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and how it protects and saves lives

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end quote the president of the

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australian medical association dr omar

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khorshad

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said quote it's fantastic and i think it

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underpins the success of our vaccination

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program

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that is one of the best in the world

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which is why we are confident going into

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this new

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covered program that australia knows

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what to do

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and our regulator is very good at

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assessing safety in quote

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catherine hughes who has been a vaccine

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advocate since

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she lost her baby riley to whooping

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cough in march 2015

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said that she was thrilled at the

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figures

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quote what brilliant news i am so proud

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that so many australian parents

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are making the important decision to

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vaccinate their kids and quote she said

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quote this year families have had a

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taste of just how terrible

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uncontrolled infectious diseases can be

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and it's brilliant to see

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everyone taking vaccinations so

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seriously now it's also a reminder of

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how

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that while the anti-vaccination lobby

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are vocal

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they are definitely the minority end

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quote

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the national immunization coverage rate

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for all

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one-year-olds has grown to 94.85

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percent and that again comes to us from

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the daily telegraph written by

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jane hansen i think catherine hughes

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makes a very good point there that the

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uh

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the anti-vaxxers are certainly in the

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minority and have failed spectacularly

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hmm i don't know anti-vaxxers

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if you're listening to this as you

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probably do because you're

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into paranoid conspiracy theories maybe

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it's time you got news leadership

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because your current leadership

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have let you down utterly

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maybe i shouldn't be giving you that

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advice no stick with the current

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leadership

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i'm sure they'll come good one day

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so that's great news coming out of

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australia for vaccination rates

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hi this is heidi robertson from the

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northern rivers vaccination supporters

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we are a group of concerned citizens

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dedicated to promoting good science and

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common sense in our region

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the far north coast of new south wales

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this area

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famous for its natural beauty and

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relaxed lifestyle

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also has the lowest rates of vaccination

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in australia

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we are out to change that by challenging

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the myths and misinformation

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and by providing good evidence-based

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information to the community

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we'd love for you no matter where you

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are in the world

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to join our fight please visit our

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webpage

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at www.nrvs.info

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we also have a link there to our

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facebook page

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tweet us at nrvax supporters

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that's vax and check us out on wikipedia

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by searching for

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northern rivers vaccination supporters

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thank you

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[Music]

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and now we continue our story from the

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trove archive

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into the unknown published in the sun

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newspaper in

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1950 in sydney australia

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and this is the reporting of tests into

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the unknown into spiritualism into

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psychics into clairvoyance and

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clairaudience

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and if you recall last week the panel of

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dare we say experts

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was interviewing robert dell about his

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paranormal experiences and his

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clairvoyance

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clear audience and mediumship

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let's pick up the story with the last

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couple of paragraphs from last week

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[Music]

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the medium received the name of karen

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which was

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recognized by dr bendent who said that

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if it is the name he had in mind

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the man is very much alive

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[Music]

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dell said he felt certain this name was

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connected with the medical profession

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when dr benden said he had not contacted

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the individual for about 20 years

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he was told that this is going to be an

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association again

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dell continued you will get the

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connection

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with this man somewhere there is going

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to be a kind of a

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conference you will have some linking up

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again

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something will come out of it which will

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be very

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interesting something medical there will

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be a board of some kind

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i feel there will be a group of men

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something will come out of this

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which will bring you some advantage

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and a certain peace of mind are you

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making

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some type of experiment i feel that you

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are

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probing not into spiritualism

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something of a scientific atmosphere

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here there is a

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gentleman here from the other side of

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life who feels he will be

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able to pass something through your

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brain

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is there someone in your family who is

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connected with the medical profession

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the spirit is trying to help with some

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kind of experiment or

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research in reply to another sitter's

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question

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have i got mediumistic powers dell

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replied

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i can't say mediumistic powers are

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spoken of

862
00:36:34,550 --> 00:36:30,720
so glibly i will only say

863
00:36:37,030 --> 00:36:34,560
i know you can heal dell said he could

864
00:36:40,150 --> 00:36:37,040
hear a young girl calling the name

865
00:36:42,349 --> 00:36:40,160
of muriel this spirit passed away

866
00:36:43,990 --> 00:36:42,359
when she was about 20 years old with

867
00:36:47,510 --> 00:36:44,000
tuberculosis

868
00:36:50,310 --> 00:36:47,520
and has been over a considerable time

869
00:36:50,710 --> 00:36:50,320
lady anderson pointed out that her name

870
00:36:53,349 --> 00:36:50,720
is

871
00:36:53,990 --> 00:36:53,359
muriel but the medium did not feel the

872
00:36:56,870 --> 00:36:54,000
message was

873
00:36:57,670 --> 00:36:56,880
for her there was also the name of

874
00:37:02,069 --> 00:36:57,680
howard or

875
00:37:03,349 --> 00:37:02,079
howarth a surname dr bendent knew this

876
00:37:06,550 --> 00:37:03,359
name but didn't know the

877
00:37:08,630 --> 00:37:06,560
girl he was asked

878
00:37:09,910 --> 00:37:08,640
is there any connection here with

879
00:37:12,870 --> 00:37:09,920
australia

880
00:37:15,430 --> 00:37:12,880
the medium said he could see the outline

881
00:37:18,550 --> 00:37:15,440
of a map that looked like australia

882
00:37:20,550 --> 00:37:18,560
and lady anderson explained

883
00:37:22,069 --> 00:37:20,560
that she knew a girl in australia who

884
00:37:25,190 --> 00:37:22,079
passed over at the age of

885
00:37:27,430 --> 00:37:25,200
20. the medium came back to dr bendent

886
00:37:29,510 --> 00:37:27,440
with a man who passed over as a result

887
00:37:31,990 --> 00:37:29,520
of a motorcycle accident

888
00:37:32,870 --> 00:37:32,000
there was a crash he also gave the name

889
00:37:35,510 --> 00:37:32,880
of margaret

890
00:37:36,550 --> 00:37:35,520
who died in a childbirth connected with

891
00:37:39,589 --> 00:37:36,560
his mother's

892
00:37:43,190 --> 00:37:39,599
family the medium couldn't describe her

893
00:37:46,310 --> 00:37:43,200
and dr bendent could not recognize her

894
00:37:48,630 --> 00:37:46,320
mr dell went to mrs haldane

895
00:37:49,750 --> 00:37:48,640
with a gentleman who wore an imperial

896
00:37:53,109 --> 00:37:49,760
beard

897
00:37:57,030 --> 00:37:53,119
he faded and the name of hill

898
00:37:57,430 --> 00:37:57,040
was heard also agnes mrs held they knew

899
00:38:06,550 --> 00:37:57,440
the

900
00:38:09,589 --> 00:38:06,560
john was given

901
00:38:11,829 --> 00:38:09,599
on her father's side of the family mrs

902
00:38:14,470 --> 00:38:11,839
haldane said her father passed with

903
00:38:15,829 --> 00:38:14,480
part trouble but the medium said this

904
00:38:18,870 --> 00:38:15,839
was not the same

905
00:38:20,150 --> 00:38:18,880
feeling there was a young lady also who

906
00:38:23,190 --> 00:38:20,160
must have died near

907
00:38:24,790 --> 00:38:23,200
her wedding day dell said he first saw a

908
00:38:28,150 --> 00:38:24,800
wedding dress and then a

909
00:38:30,950 --> 00:38:28,160
spirit robe he said

910
00:38:31,349 --> 00:38:30,960
there was someone rather elderly who

911
00:38:34,230 --> 00:38:31,359
would

912
00:38:35,349 --> 00:38:34,240
know about this rather better than mrs

913
00:38:37,430 --> 00:38:35,359
haldane

914
00:38:39,430 --> 00:38:37,440
he said the girl was either just about

915
00:38:40,710 --> 00:38:39,440
to be married or had been married a very

916
00:38:43,750 --> 00:38:40,720
short time

917
00:38:46,870 --> 00:38:43,760
dell then heard the name of goldstein or

918
00:38:49,030 --> 00:38:46,880
something that sounded jewish lord

919
00:38:51,109 --> 00:38:49,040
amwell was interested in this

920
00:38:52,710 --> 00:38:51,119
asked if he could get something more

921
00:38:56,310 --> 00:38:52,720
with it the name of

922
00:38:57,349 --> 00:38:56,320
lou came and the medium said to lord

923
00:39:01,030 --> 00:38:57,359
amwell

924
00:39:04,630 --> 00:39:01,040
as i look at you i seem to be

925
00:39:07,109 --> 00:39:04,640
wearing a gold albert this is

926
00:39:07,910 --> 00:39:07,119
back in your father's side of the family

927
00:39:11,190 --> 00:39:07,920
is there such

928
00:39:14,550 --> 00:39:11,200
a chain in the family that was a present

929
00:39:16,950 --> 00:39:14,560
the names of mabel and anna or hannah

930
00:39:18,470 --> 00:39:16,960
were mentioned and a woman who wore a

931
00:39:20,550 --> 00:39:18,480
black dress

932
00:39:23,270 --> 00:39:20,560
she had been ill for a long time before

933
00:39:24,310 --> 00:39:23,280
passing on lord amwell's side of the

934
00:39:27,510 --> 00:39:24,320
family

935
00:39:28,310 --> 00:39:27,520
dell said i want to go to the north of

936
00:39:30,630 --> 00:39:28,320
england

937
00:39:32,550 --> 00:39:30,640
are your people connected with the north

938
00:39:35,589 --> 00:39:32,560
very near scotland

939
00:39:38,950 --> 00:39:35,599
lancashire replied lord amwell

940
00:39:41,750 --> 00:39:38,960
after a few more minutes the medium said

941
00:39:41,990 --> 00:39:41,760
he felt the power had gone and he could

942
00:39:44,470 --> 00:39:42,000
do

943
00:39:46,470 --> 00:39:44,480
no more he was asked how he

944
00:39:50,230 --> 00:39:46,480
distinguished between spirit

945
00:39:54,069 --> 00:39:50,240
form and thought form and explained that

946
00:39:54,950 --> 00:39:54,079
he does not see the eyes with the spirit

947
00:39:57,910 --> 00:39:54,960
form

948
00:39:59,030 --> 00:39:57,920
and so can usually tell it from thought

949
00:40:06,230 --> 00:39:59,040
form

950
00:40:09,349 --> 00:40:06,240
details are there he continued

951
00:40:11,430 --> 00:40:09,359
when i was in the royal air force

952
00:40:13,030 --> 00:40:11,440
i was stationed up north and had a

953
00:40:15,589 --> 00:40:13,040
friend who was flying

954
00:40:17,750 --> 00:40:15,599
i knew that one night he would not come

955
00:40:20,470 --> 00:40:17,760
back and once he said to me

956
00:40:22,309 --> 00:40:20,480
what do the spooks say am i going to

957
00:40:26,309 --> 00:40:22,319
come back

958
00:40:28,790 --> 00:40:26,319
when you do

959
00:40:29,349 --> 00:40:28,800
come along and see me he asked me what

960
00:40:32,710 --> 00:40:29,359
for

961
00:40:34,630 --> 00:40:32,720
and i said i just wanted a natter

962
00:40:36,790 --> 00:40:34,640
three o'clock the following morning i

963
00:40:40,069 --> 00:40:36,800
saw him as clearly as anything

964
00:40:42,230 --> 00:40:40,079
but his eyes were blurred at once i knew

965
00:40:45,510 --> 00:40:42,240
he was spirit and definitely not

966
00:40:48,069 --> 00:40:45,520
thought form i didn't hear him speak

967
00:40:49,109 --> 00:40:48,079
i said to him paddy you're one of the

968
00:40:51,589 --> 00:40:49,119
spooks

969
00:40:52,630 --> 00:40:51,599
and soon afterwards we learnt in the hut

970
00:40:54,630 --> 00:40:52,640
that he had

971
00:40:56,069 --> 00:40:54,640
been one of the casualties of the

972
00:40:58,470 --> 00:40:56,079
night's operations

973
00:40:59,829 --> 00:40:58,480
since that occasion i have contacted him

974
00:41:03,349 --> 00:40:59,839
many times

975
00:41:05,109 --> 00:41:03,359
the medium related a family incident

976
00:41:06,390 --> 00:41:05,119
which confirmed his own faith in

977
00:41:09,109 --> 00:41:06,400
spiritualism

978
00:41:10,150 --> 00:41:09,119
and the incident which has been

979
00:41:13,670 --> 00:41:10,160
cross-checked

980
00:41:16,790 --> 00:41:13,680
with admiralty records is given here

981
00:41:19,349 --> 00:41:16,800
in dell's own words one of the most

982
00:41:21,270 --> 00:41:19,359
outstanding psychic experiences

983
00:41:23,349 --> 00:41:21,280
happened in connection with my own

984
00:41:25,030 --> 00:41:23,359
family during the time i was on leave

985
00:41:27,750 --> 00:41:25,040
from the royal air force

986
00:41:28,230 --> 00:41:27,760
i was very distressed at reading in the

987
00:41:31,349 --> 00:41:28,240
south

988
00:41:34,309 --> 00:41:31,359
wales echo the headline hms

989
00:41:35,510 --> 00:41:34,319
dorsets here sunk feared heavy loss of

990
00:41:38,069 --> 00:41:35,520
life

991
00:41:39,270 --> 00:41:38,079
the reason for my distress was that my

992
00:41:41,910 --> 00:41:39,280
favorite nephew

993
00:41:42,710 --> 00:41:41,920
a.b leslie stevens was serving on the

994
00:41:45,270 --> 00:41:42,720
hms

995
00:41:46,790 --> 00:41:45,280
dorset sheer my first dreadful feeling

996
00:41:50,470 --> 00:41:46,800
was that my

997
00:41:53,430 --> 00:41:50,480
leslie was drowned about an hour later

998
00:41:55,270 --> 00:41:53,440
i went into my lounge at home still

999
00:41:56,710 --> 00:41:55,280
feeling sure in my own mind that my

1000
00:41:58,069 --> 00:41:56,720
nephew must have been one of the

1001
00:42:00,630 --> 00:41:58,079
unfortunate ones

1002
00:42:02,550 --> 00:42:00,640
after a few minutes had passed i saw

1003
00:42:05,990 --> 00:42:02,560
quite clearly the spirit

1004
00:42:09,190 --> 00:42:06,000
of my mother who said go and tell

1005
00:42:10,230 --> 00:42:09,200
lillian that leslie is safe he has been

1006
00:42:13,750 --> 00:42:10,240
in the water of

1007
00:42:17,109 --> 00:42:13,760
36 hours he has a shrapnel

1008
00:42:20,150 --> 00:42:17,119
wound in the left leg

1009
00:42:23,510 --> 00:42:20,160
he will come home lillian my sister

1010
00:42:26,630 --> 00:42:23,520
the mother of leslie had always

1011
00:42:28,630 --> 00:42:26,640
been opposed to spiritualism however

1012
00:42:30,309 --> 00:42:28,640
i went to my sister's home which is on

1013
00:42:32,950 --> 00:42:30,319
the other side of cardiff

1014
00:42:33,990 --> 00:42:32,960
on arriving there i found a house of

1015
00:42:35,910 --> 00:42:34,000
sorrow

1016
00:42:38,870 --> 00:42:35,920
and trying to appear as cheerful as

1017
00:42:40,150 --> 00:42:38,880
possible i asked if anyone would make me

1018
00:42:41,829 --> 00:42:40,160
a cup of tea

1019
00:42:43,990 --> 00:42:41,839
they looked at me with a shocked

1020
00:42:47,829 --> 00:42:44,000
expression and said haven't you heard

1021
00:42:50,950 --> 00:42:47,839
the news leslie's ship has been sunk

1022
00:42:51,750 --> 00:42:50,960
i said oh yes i have read that in the

1023
00:42:54,870 --> 00:42:51,760
echo

1024
00:42:58,230 --> 00:42:54,880
but i am sure les is safe

1025
00:43:01,349 --> 00:42:58,240
turning to my sister i said i have never

1026
00:43:04,230 --> 00:43:01,359
spoken to you about spiritualism before

1027
00:43:05,589 --> 00:43:04,240
but tonight i have spoken to mother i

1028
00:43:08,870 --> 00:43:05,599
saw her quite clearly

1029
00:43:11,270 --> 00:43:08,880
and she told me that leslie is all right

1030
00:43:12,870 --> 00:43:11,280
and he has been in the water for 36

1031
00:43:15,990 --> 00:43:12,880
hours and he has a

1032
00:43:19,109 --> 00:43:16,000
shrapnel wound in his left leg

1033
00:43:21,270 --> 00:43:19,119
but he is safe and will come home

1034
00:43:22,309 --> 00:43:21,280
years ago you tried to make me give up

1035
00:43:25,030 --> 00:43:22,319
spiritualism

1036
00:43:26,309 --> 00:43:25,040
but i wouldn't now if what i have told

1037
00:43:28,870 --> 00:43:26,319
you is not right

1038
00:43:30,790 --> 00:43:28,880
i will give it up and never go into a

1039
00:43:32,790 --> 00:43:30,800
spiritualist church again

1040
00:43:34,870 --> 00:43:32,800
not because i don't believe it but

1041
00:43:38,150 --> 00:43:34,880
because if it cannot give

1042
00:43:40,950 --> 00:43:38,160
you some comfort the one person

1043
00:43:42,870 --> 00:43:40,960
in the world i want to help most then i

1044
00:43:43,750 --> 00:43:42,880
am not in a position to give comfort to

1045
00:43:46,870 --> 00:43:43,760
those whom

1046
00:43:48,309 --> 00:43:46,880
i do not know but i am quite sure that

1047
00:43:50,950 --> 00:43:48,319
leslie is all right

1048
00:43:53,589 --> 00:43:50,960
and will come home it was about eight

1049
00:43:56,390 --> 00:43:53,599
days before we had a cable from leslie

1050
00:43:58,550 --> 00:43:56,400
he was in a hospital in durban where a

1051
00:44:01,750 --> 00:43:58,560
good number of survivors were

1052
00:44:03,990 --> 00:44:01,760
being cared for it was six months before

1053
00:44:07,349 --> 00:44:04,000
he came home to cardiff and told us that

1054
00:44:09,589 --> 00:44:07,359
he had been in the water for 36 hours

1055
00:44:10,470 --> 00:44:09,599
and that japs had machine gun them from

1056
00:44:13,910 --> 00:44:10,480
the air

1057
00:44:16,870 --> 00:44:13,920
and he got some shrapnel in his left leg

1058
00:44:18,950 --> 00:44:16,880
and so i continue in the work trying to

1059
00:44:21,430 --> 00:44:18,960
bring comfort to others with

1060
00:44:23,190 --> 00:44:21,440
the sure knowledge that my mother who

1061
00:44:27,030 --> 00:44:23,200
had been passed over for

1062
00:44:30,230 --> 00:44:27,040
38 years can and does help me

1063
00:44:32,950 --> 00:44:30,240
just as the relatives and friends of us

1064
00:44:33,430 --> 00:44:32,960
all on the other side of life tried to

1065
00:44:37,030 --> 00:44:33,440
help

1066
00:44:38,630 --> 00:44:37,040
us on earth when possible and the next

1067
00:44:42,950 --> 00:44:38,640
section says

1068
00:44:44,790 --> 00:44:42,960
panel's report lord amwell

1069
00:44:47,109 --> 00:44:44,800
this clairvoyant and several

1070
00:44:50,150 --> 00:44:47,119
recognitions from among the panel

1071
00:44:53,109 --> 00:44:50,160
about which they and not i

1072
00:44:54,630 --> 00:44:53,119
can speak i agreed to evidence of

1073
00:44:57,910 --> 00:44:54,640
psychic power

1074
00:44:59,750 --> 00:44:57,920
dr benden very sketchy paranormal

1075
00:45:01,910 --> 00:44:59,760
cognition was shown

1076
00:45:04,150 --> 00:45:01,920
there was no evidence that he was

1077
00:45:05,109 --> 00:45:04,160
actually in touch with any discarnate

1078
00:45:07,510 --> 00:45:05,119
entity

1079
00:45:09,030 --> 00:45:07,520
and that he was doing anything more than

1080
00:45:12,390 --> 00:45:09,040
picking up rather

1081
00:45:13,349 --> 00:45:12,400
erratically memories etc in the sitter's

1082
00:45:15,910 --> 00:45:13,359
minds

1083
00:45:17,750 --> 00:45:15,920
in my case he was completely and

1084
00:45:20,069 --> 00:45:17,760
entirely at sea

1085
00:45:20,870 --> 00:45:20,079
assuming my family records to be correct

1086
00:45:24,870 --> 00:45:20,880
there has been

1087
00:45:25,990 --> 00:45:24,880
nobody of the name of margaret for 150

1088
00:45:28,069 --> 00:45:26,000
years at least

1089
00:45:29,190 --> 00:45:28,079
nor have i known anybody who died in

1090
00:45:30,950 --> 00:45:29,200
childbirth

1091
00:45:32,390 --> 00:45:30,960
it was interesting to note that he

1092
00:45:35,430 --> 00:45:32,400
tended to follow up

1093
00:45:36,710 --> 00:45:35,440
any lead given him either immediately or

1094
00:45:39,430 --> 00:45:36,720
as soon as he could

1095
00:45:40,470 --> 00:45:39,440
reasonably diverge from the person he

1096
00:45:43,589 --> 00:45:40,480
was talking to

1097
00:45:45,990 --> 00:45:43,599
to somebody more responsive

1098
00:45:46,950 --> 00:45:46,000
i have little doubt that mr dell is

1099
00:45:50,230 --> 00:45:46,960
psychic

1100
00:45:52,950 --> 00:45:50,240
he seems to have some precognitive flair

1101
00:45:54,150 --> 00:45:52,960
i am equally convinced that clairvoyance

1102
00:45:57,349 --> 00:45:54,160
properly studied

1103
00:46:00,550 --> 00:45:57,359
with the right training need not be

1104
00:46:03,270 --> 00:46:00,560
the erratic faculty which he says it is

1105
00:46:05,270 --> 00:46:03,280
moreover i am unconvinced as to his

1106
00:46:07,829 --> 00:46:05,280
explanation about the

1107
00:46:08,550 --> 00:46:07,839
difference between spirits and thought

1108
00:46:10,790 --> 00:46:08,560
forms

1109
00:46:11,670 --> 00:46:10,800
although i know there is a difference in

1110
00:46:14,870 --> 00:46:11,680
any case

1111
00:46:15,829 --> 00:46:14,880
he gave nothing evidential of survival

1112
00:46:19,510 --> 00:46:15,839
after death

1113
00:46:23,430 --> 00:46:19,520
nor anything to support the basis of

1114
00:46:26,550 --> 00:46:23,440
spiritualist doctrine later than this

1115
00:46:28,309 --> 00:46:26,560
session i did it is to have professional

1116
00:46:32,309 --> 00:46:28,319
connection in a way that

1117
00:46:35,190 --> 00:46:32,319
might have brought me in contact with dr

1118
00:46:37,510 --> 00:46:35,200
karan but this particular matter did not

1119
00:46:41,030 --> 00:46:37,520
reach a successful conclusion

1120
00:46:44,390 --> 00:46:41,040
and i did not in fact see him

1121
00:46:47,349 --> 00:46:44,400
mrs haldane this gentleman said nothing

1122
00:46:49,829 --> 00:46:47,359
which had any special relevance for me

1123
00:46:50,710 --> 00:46:49,839
he used certain phrases that seemed to

1124
00:46:53,750 --> 00:46:50,720
be rather

1125
00:46:56,230 --> 00:46:53,760
in the nature of mediums cliches

1126
00:46:57,109 --> 00:46:56,240
he was also using a great deal of

1127
00:47:01,270 --> 00:46:57,119
suggestion

1128
00:47:04,550 --> 00:47:01,280
which for some might well be effective

1129
00:47:05,030 --> 00:47:04,560
canon knight this sensitive claim to

1130
00:47:08,069 --> 00:47:05,040
possess

1131
00:47:09,990 --> 00:47:08,079
clairvoyant and clear audient powers in

1132
00:47:14,150 --> 00:47:10,000
any account of previous remarkable

1133
00:47:17,190 --> 00:47:14,160
episodes as for example his knowledge of

1134
00:47:18,309 --> 00:47:17,200
the exact details of a relative's rescue

1135
00:47:20,950 --> 00:47:18,319
from shipwreck

1136
00:47:23,270 --> 00:47:20,960
we had to rely upon his own account

1137
00:47:23,510 --> 00:47:23,280
there were some possible opportunities

1138
00:47:27,829 --> 00:47:23,520
of

1139
00:47:30,630 --> 00:47:27,839
and i should value their comment

1140
00:47:31,670 --> 00:47:30,640
for example dr bendent and the name

1141
00:47:34,790 --> 00:47:31,680
curran

1142
00:47:35,750 --> 00:47:34,800
i had no personal references to check i

1143
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did not find

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dell impressive he switched to

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and fro rapidly from this world to

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the other in two easier way surely the

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degree of accessibility

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is slower than dell's seems to be

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one felt he was possibly moving to and

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fro

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within his own consciousness on two

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levels

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[Music]

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and now we'll leave that part of the

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report with mixed

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in next week's gripping episode we have

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an australian ultra sensitive

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an australian alfred rayner of sydney

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was one of the mediums who offered to

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assist the panel

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in its investigations

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[Music]

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and that was into the unknown our

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continuing series about

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reports of testing clairvoyance and

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spiritualism in the supernatural and

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psychics

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way back in 1950 that appeared in the

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color magazine

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sunday sun supplement and

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that particular passage i was reading

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appeared on the 24th

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and you can read all about the

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adventures of the investigating panel

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for yourself

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by diving into trove at trove.nla.gov

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dot a u

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logical fallacies with michelle

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bickersma

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more in our series into the unknown and

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this time we look at an australian

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mystic

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and i think i think we might be hearing

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a new adventure from the skeptical fairy

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godmother

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angel but for this week this is richard

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saunders signing off

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hello to the afterthoughts the people

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i don't know if it's the weather but my

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voice is really on the edge of

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disappearing

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hmm don't know why anyway it's time to

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play the dice game this is where i roll

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a dye a dice

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two dice three dice four dice mice

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something

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ice i should have ice today that's what

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i should have a nice cool drink with ice

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and

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i've got 2d tens

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a bit of a a difference where's my

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where's my notepad which i call the

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skeptics i note that in my normal pen

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which i call a skeptic's own pen here we

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go

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all right the numbers down so the idea

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is i'm going to roll these

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in my dice rolling contraption thank you

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greg doray from the bay area for sending

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that

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and you get to use your psychic power or

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your dumb luck and guess which numbers

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are going to come up

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so you've got two

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chances each time i'm going to roll

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these both three times

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as a plane comes overhead

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oh well i don't care it's the dice part

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of the show planes can

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come overhead the neighbors can renovate

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their kitchen and the

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birds can chirp here we go so guess away

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you can either guess two numbers or one

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number from

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two dice go through the first number

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coming up is

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one the second number is

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six so you can either think well that is

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sixteen or it's one

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and a six okay second time

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first number that's come up is five

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and what's this six again

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there you go five you see there you are

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susan gerbic

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we have ten and

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nine so

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today's winning numbers are yes there's

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the bird the bird outside must be

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playing two

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one six five six

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ten and nine and the supplementary the

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supplementary out of ten

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is

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[Music]